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I have received bad checks from employer and no check for last week of work, She has bounced checks on all of the feed stores and many other people and not paid many people ,I have copies of checks from 5 different people she has written. What are the specific Rules with the USDF about Bad checks and Non-payment to horse related things.
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2012, 08:29:15 PM » |
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please PM / email me privately, I was exercise riding for someone who's last 4 checks to me bounced (in early December). might be the same client, if so perhaps we can try and collect, collectively :-) Sorry you had this experience it is awful!
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2012, 10:02:06 PM » |
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you can also take her to a small claims court
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2012, 10:18:03 PM » |
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The USDF is not a government. It is illegal to write bad checks. You should go to the police.
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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2012, 10:28:52 PM » |
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^ I disagree. The police will roll their eyes and rubber stamp your police report. Going to the USDF (assuming this person is a dressage rider/trainer?) is an excellent idea. They can, and will censure her. The governing rules of the Federation promise an investigation into any members accused of fraud. Punitive measures exist. The end result could be far more damaging to her career than the checks are worth. You may very well succeed in pressuring this person to pay up.
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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2012, 10:33:25 PM » |
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I'm pretty sure there is a division in Palm Beach County for bad checks...maybe through the sheriff's office or State Attorney? I'd defnitely look into this as writing bad checks is against the law. I don't think if you go to the proper channels they will "roll their eyes" as it is taken very seriously. I'm sure they can also advise you on ways to try to re-coup your money as well as doing whatever they have to do legally to the person who wrote the checks.
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2012, 10:42:19 PM » |
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Um, been there. Done that. Yup. Experienced definite eyeroll first hand.
Look, I'm not trying to belittle the police department. It's just that this is small time nuisance stuff to them, they hear it everyday, and it is not exactly something they are excited to jump on right away. Now, as for reporting this to a specific fraud division, (as opposed to your local friendly PD) that is a good idea. Especially if the amounts are large enough to equal a larceny charge. I was just saying (in response to the poster above me) not to dismiss the idea of going to the USDF. I've seen this identical situation handled in a very timely manner with a successful outcome. You see, the USDF is much more motivated to put these kinds of situations to rest than the local PD is.
Good luck to the OP!
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lilly6
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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2012, 10:59:52 PM » |
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The amounts to go under a felony. If any of you have been given Bad checks BY ?............... I have 5 people willing to make claims against her ,not to mention the feed stores and if any of you have not been paid,pm me.
Its just wrong not pay people after they have worked. At the horse show I had Vendors coming up to me at horse show for items she did not pay for and the poor night watch people trying to collect.
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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2012, 11:01:25 PM » |
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Wow. Has this person skipped town? Or are they still around?
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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2012, 11:08:08 PM » |
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Oh no, she. Never pays her bills Writing a bad check or just not paying someone for services is the same as stealing. I had to deal with people Calling and texting me to collect their money from her. Its one thing to screw up your check book but to deliberately write out one bad check after another is just Wrong and stealing.
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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2012, 11:10:48 PM » |
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If you are wanting to identify the accused offender, you must include your full name in the post. Then you will be legally liable for your comments. If they are accurate, you should have nom problem with this rule. Thanks ..
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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2012, 11:11:26 PM » |
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Definitely stealing! Since you have so many people to back you up, I would definitely go to the police immediately! Especially since it is so much money, I think they will take this seriously.
Thanks for the heads up.
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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2012, 11:23:35 PM » |
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I understand. I believe everyone knows who this is.
I have copies of checks if anyone wants to pm me.
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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2012, 11:24:19 PM » |
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You definately need to go to authorities...States' Attorneys office You can use my lawyer...!!
Also: USDF will sanction this rider and she will not be permitted to compete until resolved
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« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2012, 11:27:22 PM » |
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Thanks for the info Brewster. I will PM you. The USDF is supposed contact me tomorrow
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« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2012, 11:28:25 PM » |
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I know who your talking about.... She's a real winner
none of her colleages respect her...she owes everyone all over town.
good luck collecting.! The line is long and her pockets shallow.
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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2012, 11:54:50 PM » |
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I now have attorney,so if anyone else has had this happen PM me and we can all go after her.
I will post USDF information when I receive it tomorrow
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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2012, 06:59:41 AM » |
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Thanks for the pm's keep them coming.Her latest Ammo is to hire illegals because she thinks they have no recourse,I now have 8 people wanting to pursue her.I feel horrible for the horses,we were having to switch feeds all the time due to her form of payment(None) she wiLl put a cc on file at feed stores when placing orders and then cancel it when they are on the way to deliver. She does the same with service People and then she will claim they didn't do the work or it wasn't
The work she wanted. We all work too hard for our money and this is Just wrong.
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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2012, 07:35:19 AM » |
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This really is fraud Polomare. She uses a couple of different names too.
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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2012, 07:59:33 AM » |
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not to defend this person, but our national federation in charge of rules, sanctions, etc, is the USEF. the USDF is the educational and support liason member of the USEF. USDF does not make or enforce the rules of competition. The USEF is the governing body of our country for all FEI disciplines.
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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2012, 08:59:29 AM » |
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^Thank you for the clarification, drsgnut!
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« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2012, 07:03:49 PM » |
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And the USEF can make sanctions for the USDF.
Giving bad check on purpose is the same as stealing. Not paying for services rendered is the same as stealing. Apparently this is not exactly new ,news with this crook!
If you can't afford horses you may want to take up Bingo! Just got word she likes to walk out on dinner tabs too! A real winner here...
Keep you posted on rules and follow up and anyone wanting to collect their debt with her pm me and I will help you file.
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« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2012, 07:25:13 PM » |
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I have dealt with similar problems....small claims is annoying but worth it for anything over a couple hundred. Take this person to court. Police will not get involved in my experience but that might vary.
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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2012, 07:49:43 PM » |
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Passing bad checks is a crime. Contact which ever police department covers either where you work (where you performed the services which the bad checks were given for) or where you live. They must take a report. Then contact the bad check division of the State Attorney's Office and file a report with them as well. If there is a lot of this activity going on, which it seems like there is from all these posts, it can be investigated as a continuing pattern of criminal behavior including a scheme to defraud. If the person was using a business to conduct these activities, it can even go as far as a RICO (racketeering) charge. All of which is very serious. And, not only is it a crime, you can also sue them in civil court for 3x the amount of the bad checks. You have said that you have an attorney now - good for you! - they should be able to explain all this to you and see that every avenue available is pursued.
Unfortunately you can't get blood from a rock, so whether or not there is any money or assets to be gotten from this person to pay you back is whole nuther story. However, prosecuting them and getting the word out about their unscrupulous behavior should stop them from taking advantage of any more people and you are to be thanked for doing that.
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« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2012, 08:53:18 PM » |
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Show mom is correct. The State Attorneys office has a division that deals w bad checks. It is a felony in Florida. Unless someone is better versed in USEF rules than I am, I doubt there is little they can do. my understanding is that they can only handle financial issues at events that they sanction. This qualifies as a private event; emoloyer/employee, consumer etc. Good luck and keep us posted.
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« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2012, 09:37:05 PM » |
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Go straight to State Attorney's office. Not hard to do but this person will be very sorry they've ever
bounced a check. Very expensive, makes you take classes, and pay for those too. Better and easier
than suing!!
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« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2012, 10:41:39 PM » |
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Seems to me that you have recourse through multiple avenues: the State's Attorney for criminal (get all those affected together, the frequency may be reflected in multiple counts of fraud and theft against this person. The SA has investigators for this purpose. I assume this has all occurred in P. Beach County, which will be very easy to doent and prosecute. Also inquire on civil/small claims and if you can pursue something concurrently. USEF will be helpful in protecting others in our horse community and possibly be able to sanction this person. But, without going to a legal authority, this can continue for a good while.
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« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2012, 10:01:08 AM » |
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Get rid of the lawyer. Call the SA office and get your ducks in a row. You may need to call PBSO for a case number , but without some type of paper trail you can't do anything. You have to start with the SA to see what the current format is for bad checks. Start your file now and copy both sides of the checks, any copies of anything having to do with this person. Then after you have done that, take your momentum and pursue the other channels.
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« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2012, 08:08:45 PM » |
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why arent you telling us who is bouncing all these checks?
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« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2012, 09:09:43 PM » |
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I would be thankful to avoid them as well.
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« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2012, 09:56:53 PM » |
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I would be thankful too, but I doubt our website owner wants to get in the middle of this and I do not blame her one bit.
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« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2012, 10:21:10 PM » |
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Send the OP a private message on here if you want the name; it's best for all involved if the name is not posted on this thread, at least until some charges are brought against them.
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« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2012, 10:34:33 PM » |
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I have repeatedly said to pm me and I will give details, most people that have pm'd knew who it was. Feel free to pm me. I bumped into an old friend today Who is a PBSO ,he told me to go to the Sherriffs office with copies of checks and detectives investigate and a warrant will be issued.
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« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2012, 10:53:05 PM » |
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Not to be a horse's butt....BUT, after all GREAT info all posters have given u as far as channels to take, WHY have u not done anything??? I have NO IDEA whom you are talking about, just following post, hoping you have gotten matter in proper hands, and all is well. Additionally following for education in case this situ happens to us. Still can't get why paper work isn't in all hands suggested?   |
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« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2012, 04:58:22 PM » |
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Paper work is all getting filed. Remember I am a crazy horse person like you all and pretty much work 24/7! :-o
We keep finding more and more on this whacko. Seems she has Warrants in other States For this. I really appreciate all the great advice and tips. We should all start a Free horse legal advice site and maybe we can stop some of these people. Keep the pm coming.
You guys are great!
Thanks. :-)
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« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2012, 10:58:18 PM » |
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Just got notice of more bad checks from the crook!
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« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2012, 09:57:19 AM » |
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Sorry to comment so late in the post. However I recall you stating this individual is/ was you employer. So ig this is/ was the case you need to contact the Department of Labor. There are laws against messing with individuals payroll checks.
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« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2012, 05:48:31 PM » |
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Hopefully the O.P. has been busy with good things, but I have been anxiously waiting for my PM with a name. Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2012, 06:27:39 PM » |
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Me too, sent you a message about 5 days ago?
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« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2012, 07:05:00 PM » |
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We were thinking of the labor board and the IRS too! It's not just employees,vendors,maintenance,electicians and such.
Sorry Gumper and Fox, I have been swamped with pm's and have tried to answer all of them promptly. I have a slow day tomorrow after I finish filing I will get back with you.
Most people knew of her and have had the same problem. This is not a one time deal, this crook is a fraud and a thief! Seems she has done this in a couple of other states and keeps changing her DBA and name.
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« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2012, 09:59:45 PM » |
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now im really curious who is this person have haad a few checks bad but got them made good on so probably not same person but would like to know so I do not do ny work for this person thanks for any name
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« Reply #41 on: January 23, 2012, 10:32:37 AM » |
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« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2012, 07:36:09 PM » |
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Hope to get that message sooner rather than later.
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« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2012, 07:55:37 PM » |
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My apologies, got it and didn't see it was there. Thank you and I sincerely hope you get paid. So low of people to do.
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« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2012, 11:48:44 PM » |
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Again,thanks everyone for all the info. I have received so many PM's on this crook. She has been a busy thief. Hopefully justice will be served soon ands I thank you all for the info...o will keep you posted.
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