Any help with non sweating horses?

[TONY1]

Does anyone have any good ideas to help and horse that usually sweated in the past and doesn't seem to be sweating now, it like all this cool weather we have had shut the horses cooling system down no sweating? Product advice that can be given to a horse? What kind of management should be done. Thanks

[Norma]

Hopefully you are working with a vet with this- One AC, which is a product that can be purchased at the feed stores in the area will help- its important to start this ASAP. 

[TONY1]

Thanks norma, Yes the vet was called out two days ago. Did not get a real good answer or advice.

[Norma]

Call another vet.

[BeenThereDoneThat]

See another post here about Dr Scott who was able to get a horse to sweat after acupuncture treatments, I think TEXAS was the WEF board member who had success. Worth looking into.

[Queca]

Try TRUE SWEAT from CHOICE OF CHAMPIONS INTERNATIONAL. It works!
Call 1-800-868-1077 or 561-307-1010

[Delia]

True Sweat was the only product that worked on my horse last year.  It can be purchased at Tackeria if you don't want to wait for shipping.  Also, you can sprinkle a little Morton's Lite Salt on the food but not too much.

[TONY1]

Thanks guys I can at least get something started while I get a second opinion next week.

[TONY1]

Has anyone have any luck with One AC, seems to be less expensive?

[Delia]

I used One AC and the Chinese herb from the vet clinic.  The only success we had was with True Sweat.  It did take a couple of containers to get started but my horse is sweating now and his coat is better (not as thick) now.  I gave him 3/4 dose all winter even though temperatures were very cool in order to keep product in his system.
Hope this helps. 

[kona]

believe it or not, i know a lot of people that put guiness beer in there food every day. one bottle once a day along with powdered gatorade and a little salt.

[joyce]

I was just told about an old time remedy from an old time horse trader
 He swears by this 2 tablespoons twice a day on horses food you should see results by the 5th day,sweating under saddle and girth.HOrse may gets squirts from this ,if no results may go for a couple of more days. and when this starts working you should not have to do it again..
 duh,  the product is epsom salt of all things..

[joyce]

  give 2 Tablespoons of Epsom Salt with his feed twice a day for 5 days…by the 5th day you should notice him sweating under his saddle pad and girth.   If that doesn’t work, you can increase the salt a little more (1 tblsp.) and try it a few more days.   He said it may give him the squirts temporarily…especially if you increase the amount of salt.  Once you notice he is sweating you can stop the salt, monitor his sweating…if he stops again you may have to do it again. once they start to sweat, they usually continue from then on.

[jumperkat]

Check with Dobergirl on this site she has a non-sweater in her barn and uses the "Beer" trick too.  I also heard about the accupuncture treatment with Dr. Scott !! Good Luck...

[dobergirl]

hi,

yes, we do have a non-sweater here but the approach to her problem is multi-faceted, using acupuncture and chinese herbs as well as beer.  (I think the beer is most effective in getting her to eat the chinese herbs!)

her owner, "Brooke" on this board can tell you more - you could prob pm her here.  Her regimen was pretty much in place when her horse came to live with me.

Best wishes.

 

[sillybird]

I also have a non-sweater.  I have tried any different things.  The one-AC works well if you start early in the season before the horse stops sweating.  I am about ready to start supplementing with it now.  The beer also works well for awhile.  (he loves beer!!)  In the summer when he totally quit sweating, my vet gave me ventipulman sp?  That does seem to work really well, but is very expensive to use on a daily basis.  Here are some things I do on a daily basis.  #1 ride early in the morning, 2. rinse horse off periodically to keep body temp down.  3. turn out only at night. 4. give one bucket of gatorade and one bucket of water to choose from in stall (he always chooses gatorade)   5.Some times shocking the system with either an ice bath or an air conditioned room will shock the system into sweating again. 6.The biggest thing is to keep horse in the most ventilated stall with fans on during day, I have two fans that blow directly on him.  Even with all this there are days where he overheats in his stall   I have to hose him off every hour during the hottest part of the day.  South Florida weather is tough.  Watch the temperature of the horse as very high body temp can cause permanent damage.

Good luck!!!!!!!!!!!! 

[Queca]

I just wanted to post again. Try TRUE SWEAT from CHOICE OF CHAMPIONS: you don't need to mix, buy beer, call vet/acupuncturist, soak, control side effects, etc. It just works!
Follow the instructions on the label and that's it.

[TONY1]

Thanks Queca, will do!! Anything first, then we will see from there.

[Delia]

True Sweat works!  Also, if possible during the summer months, close the door at the west end of the barn after 12N.  Keeping the hot sun out of your barn during the hottest part of the day will make a big difference, especially since the sun shines until well after 7 PM  in July & August.  I know it may not make any sense in the beginning, but you'll notice a difference. Also, hosing the aisles & stall walls creates evaporation which helps to keep the barn cool.

If you are in a boarding situation, these  suggestions are probably next to impossible. 

Good Luck with your horse.

[Coral Reef Riding]

My cushing's horse is also a non-sweater.  We started giving him a chasteberry suppliment and this has helped him in so many ways, including he does not huff and puff as much and began sweating on his own. 

[Kim L.]

Dark Beer worked for my old horse Nevada... I understand it does not work for all, but in Nevada's case it did and he LOVED it! He had a treat of Guiness Extra Stoudt and licked his bucket CLEAN!!!

[cmaxson]

how much chastetree berry please?

[lisastep]

re: One AC

My horse became a non-sweater during our extended heat this past fall (Sept/Oct).

Vet put him on One AC and the barn owner told me that to get results you need to stay
with One AC through 2 containers of the stuff.

I did, but I can't tell you if those 2 containers worked or not since the weather then went cool
and has stayed pleasant up 'til now. Meanwhile, my horse stopped blowing and became comfortable
with the better weather that we're still experiencing.

I now wonder what he'll be like when summer hits.

-Lisa

[Delia]

Where do you buy chasteberry and what is it??

[Norma]

You can purchase chasteberry from a health food store.  It's fairly cheap, and some have had great success using it as an alternative to Pergolide for a horse with Cushings.  If you google "eye of the storm equine rescue" there is quite a bit of information on it.  I've not seen any information that it will help a non-sweater.

[Coral Reef Riding]

Let me explain why Chasteberry may be helping my non-sweaters.  

First consider the Pituitary Gland which is the master endocrine gland in vertebrate animals. The hormones secreted by the pituitary stimulate and control the functioning of almost all the other endocrine glands in the body. Pituitary hormones also promote growth and control the water balance of the body.  

Second, Chaste Berry has been in use for centuries as a reliable medicine, balancing and regulating the mammalian hormonal system.  Most important, it gently, but effectively, supports the normal functioning of the pituitary gland, correcting hormonal disturbances.

Again, just my opinion.

[Norma]

Erica- I think your hypothesis is spot on- I've never had to use chaste berry on a non-sweater (knock wood), but I have had favorable results on a Cushings mare- and it was a lot easier on my pocketbook!!

[luvsPaints]

A friend of mine has a black TB and he's a non sweater and she's tried a lot of things including the dark beer. She's just started using a patch and she said it made a big difference. It's called the Equiwinner and the website is www .signal-health. com. Hope this helps.

[lfb]

Guiness Beer is the only thing that work on 2 horses we have from up north. 1 beer with each feeding, can use with one a/c.

[hpylegend]

years ago, my vet recommended dark beer. I really thought he was nuts, but alas, it works, but must be started early in the summer

[Ingrid Taskin]

Regarding cooling down the barn.. we use a watering can and put a 1/2 cup of pine sole mixed it.. it not only makes the barn smell really good, pushes the flies out of the barn, but it actually cools the barn down as well...

Hope that helps.
Ingrid

[Ingrid Taskin]

Let me clarify... we put this in the breezeway of the barn.. not on the rubber mats and not on the wooden walls either...

Ingrid

[kona]

ingrid, that sounds interesting, do you mix half water and half pine sole and then just pour in in the isle ways. any suggestions to help with these awfull flies helps

[Ingrid Taskin]

Kona.. just a half a cup of the pine sole mixed with a full watering can of water.. just enough so the pine sole does not bubble in the can.. if that makes any sense.. just remember not to hit the mats or the wood.. if you are going to do this daily.. it will just eat away at both of those items.. and I swear it does cool the barn down...

Ingrid

[awesomecremellos]

Hello, I just wanted to let you know that I saw Joyce's post on using epsom salts for horses that don't sweat. I have tried One Ac (since Jan), Let'em sweat, True sweat, Perspirade, and the Equi-winner patch. None of them worked.
BUT, the epsom salt is working! I can't believe what I am seeing, but it is working. I am giving as Joyce suggested, 2 tbl spoons 2x a day. If I stop, he stops sweating. When I started back, he started sweating again.

I also feed chelated minerals and a good feed.

I don't know why this is working, but i wanted to give Joyce a huge thanks for that info.  If  anyone else tries this with success, I would love to hear from them.

Sincerely,

Jennifer Thompson
Ruston, LA.

[Tisbouncy]

Guiness worked for my boy when he gave me the 'non-sweating scare' earlier this year.  And, the best thing about it was, that I was able to join him in having one in the afternoons too...mmm..mmm

[laurenandtoby]

At the first signs of less sweat, not no sweat, but less than we thought he should have, we started my paint gelding on one dark beer in the evening and One AC morning and night.  He is sweating great now.

I've stopped the beer but I'm feeding the ONeAC and I figure I'll keep feeding it until it cools off in October.  He is a pretty hard worker and he is sweating really well now.

Good luck.

[awesomecremellos]

Wish I could have had that kind of luck with One AC. I still have 3 or 4 tubs in the cabinet.  After 6 months on it, it did nothing for my horse.

[Texas]

I just researched True Sweat. Because of one ingredient that makes people and animas very uncomfortable, I would not use it. Niacin - it dialates the arteries and can make the horse dizzy and in the hot humid weather - I wouldn't use it.  It dialates the heart as well.

Anybody have Nao

[Lexus]

Gotta agree with the beer. I've had 2 non sweaters and a wise old track trainer told me to use Pabst blue ribbon beer twice a day. For some reason that brand works better than others and is cheap!

[Texas]

You guys who repsonded are the BOMB! HA  I'm calling the chiropractor and just doing it. One ac has stopped working.  Believe what you say Norma and Awesome.

[deb be]

I wonder how many of the horses with sweating issues also get injections on a routine basis with some sort of medication?  Ex.   tranquilizers.    All drugs have side effects and if they have preservatives in them maybe they can cause problems too.   (ex.  generics have the same drugs but can have fillers that are different and give you different side effects than the name brand)

After 2 mo of no tranq. my horse appears to be sweating again....or atleast he is doing a good job of trying.   Lots of lather between his legs the other day while doing a light lunging.  The drugs effects don't last that long but their powerful substances that maybe we shouldn't be so quick to take for granted.   There are drugs known to cause anhydrosis in humans so why not horses too? 

Its worth mentioning that my vet gave my idea a thumbs down but all horses are individuals just like people.

[Delia]

I have had a non-sweater until recently.  Tried almost everything including Chinese herbs and accupuncture.  Beer has always been a part of their diet for many years.  Lexus has repeatedly given glowing reports on Pabst Blue Ribbon Beer.  I've been pouring a can each in their dinners for about 2 weeks and I have horses who now sweat!!!   Thank you Lexus for being true to your word. This is wonderful and cost effective  -- certainly not as expensive as Guinness, and it works! 
This might be redundant but I do add a little lite salt to AM feeding.

[Texas]

I just went through that horrible non-sweating mess and tried everything that has been posted. I am using the chinese herbs from Dr. Naomi, the epsom salts did not work, all the supplements did not work; the dark beer is working but she gets 4 per day - she's will follow me around if I have a beer in my hand! HAHA. She is rinsed off at least once a day and put in front of a big fan with a wet towel over her back and neck.  I have the biggest industrial fans in her stall. I also make up a orange drink for her and she slurps it down - sometimes two bowls.  It contains the orange stress dex in a shallow medium feeding pan.  I think the worst is over. Not sure if the herbs are working but she is not blowing as bad for sure.  Some people think if the horse is blowing its OK -NOT!  Take their respiration and take their heart rate. Heart rate should be about 36 and her respiration should be about 20 breaths.  Heart rate is taken under her chin -feel for the pulse.  Otherwise your horse is OK.  If not, the horse is in destress and in severe cases can drop, per my vet.  They have to have shade if you do not have a barn that is cool.

[Classic2010]

Worth reviewing all of the advice that works---my thoughts are how do horses get to where they don't sweat?  One mentioned injections for meds. or tranquilizers?  Interesting and I bet there is truth behind it---at least for some of the cases.  But what about those that don't sweat and are not being given any injections?  My horses sweat like nuts and  I thank God for their sweat.  When I first moved them down here from up north this June, they would sweat just standing in their stalls.  Normal for they had to get use to the heat. So, to hear of these horses not sweating in FL....I just like to know the causes of things like this.

[thebud1]

I feed eletrolytes year round, also, you can get bran and get it REAL soupy and they will slurp it up